[Cyanea]

I wasn't sure if i should make a whole new thread about this... but since i really didn't see an appropriate place, i decided to do it

Every time i listen to Disarm me something bugs me because i'm not sure if i understand the lyrics and it would be nice if you could help me, it's this line:
"Lie to me that you love me with all your heart no more"

does it mean 'lie to me that you no more love me with all your heart' or 'lie to me no more that you love me with all your heart'??

might be a bit of a stupid question, but it just bugs me every time!

and maybe this thread could be about more than just this question... could be about questions of lyrics in general... if anyone has any... or just ideas about the lyrics?? could be interesting...

[ShizzyValo]

i believe that it means
"lie to me that you no more love me with all your heart"

[evelyn]

Cyanea, on 28 March 2010 - 01:16 PM, said:

and maybe this thread could be about more than just this question... could be about questions of lyrics in general... if anyone has any... or just ideas about the lyrics?? could be interesting...

I think that's a great idea, I hesitated to start such a thread though. Really not sure about your question, I'm more into other songs of the album at the moment, and I'm not feeling this one that much right now.

I like how there are hints or links to other songs of the album, it's like getting puzzle pieces together to get the whole picture. Which is really not easy and maybe not even wanted. I've mentioned somewhere else that the theme of the album seems like Muse' "undisclosed desires", but I refrain slightly from that. It's not (just) about someone elses pain but also Villes. I don't know why I didnt get this before I've heard the acoustic version of "the foreboding sense...".

And to add an own question to this topic: what's your take on "zipping cupid in a body bag well-worn next to the mausoleum he was born in picking up the pieces of this gory glory of it all from eve to morn for Eve to mourn" and the line "she'll be the witness to the repose of Evelyn"?

Sounds like something which is over and bemoaned by Eve, who maybe is the rest in peace Evelyn in the other song? Which is still to happen, or ...

[Cyanea]

ShizzyValo, on 28 March 2010 - 04:48 PM, said:

i believe that it means
"lie to me that you no more love me with all your heart"

thanks, i usually think that's what it means, but sometimes i think it means the other one... and it actually could be either, i think
right now i'm reading E.A. Poe's poetry and that "no more" sounds very Poeish to me

@Evelyn: i haven't realised the hints and links between the songs of the album, except all the biblical and mythical references, could you give some examples please? i'll pay more attention next time i listen to the songs
Also, i don't know the Muse's album you mention, so i can't really say anything about that. But i recently realised that Ville seems to be singing to love in many of his lyrics, not about love, but he's actually talking to love.

About the line from In Venere Veritas, the part about Cupid seems pretty straight forward to me and very typical Ville, Cupid is love, love is dead after building this huge monument for him... like, after building this huge relationship out of love, love dies... and it's a 'body bag well worn' because it happens over and over. 'Picking up the pieces of this gory glory of it all from eve to morn' it's the same old concept Ville uses all the time, you know 'sweetest torment', 'sweet pandemonium', 'dark light' etc. 'For Eve to mourn' is the part i don't really get, obviously is a word game, so i think it is Eve eating the forbidden fruit and then being punished for it, can't think of anything else, and even there's another reference about it in In The Arms of Rain: "come bite the apple and i'll coil around your heart"

And about 'the repose of Evelyn', i don't think he refers to Eve again, i think it's another Evelyn, but i really have no idea who, i read a couple of speculations in the heartagram forum and this one seems like it could fit: http://fullbright.bl...4/dynamics.html
but somehow it doesn't seem right

This post has been edited by Cyanea: 28 March 2010 - 11:17 PM

[evelyn]

Cyanea, on 28 March 2010 - 11:16 PM, said:

@Evelyn: i haven't realised the hints and links between the songs of the album, except all the biblical and mythical references, could you give some examples please?

The Eve/Evelyn thing might have been one, but it can be as well like you suggested. Then in "katherine wheel" there is this line "Love in theory and practice chapter one". And the greek kinda statue in the "scared to death" video might be a hint to the first verse in "shatter me with hope". But that's just my guess. I haven't read the article of your link yet, too much text and too much migraine at the moment

[HIMika666]

great topic , i like to think what does some line mean...but everyone will get the meaning throught his/her own understanding....for example, what this line mean for you:"I'll kiss that smile off your face, just say when (just say when)"?

[Cyanea]

evelyn, on 29 March 2010 - 09:10 AM, said:

Cyanea, on 28 March 2010 - 11:16 PM, said:

@Evelyn: i haven't realised the hints and links between the songs of the album, except all the biblical and mythical references, could you give some examples please?

The Eve/Evelyn thing might have been one, but it can be as well like you suggested. Then in "katherine wheel" there is this line "Love in theory and practice chapter one". And the greek kinda statue in the "scared to death" video might be a hint to the first verse in "shatter me with hope". But that's just my guess. I haven't read the article of your link yet, too much text and too much migraine at the moment

i've always wondered about that line from Katherine Wheel, because the title of the album is Screamworks Love in Theory and Practice: Chapters 1-13, so does it mean they don't correspond to the order of the songs? If Katherine Wheel is chapter one, which one is chapter 2??? i wonder if there's a way to figure it out or we're just not meant to
and maybe you're right about the greek statue in the scared to death video, hadn't thought about that
and i hope your migrane goes away soon!!!

@HIMika666, for me that line from Scared to Death means that before you give yourself into love you're supposed to be happy, once you do, you fall apart... so the smile represents the happiness, the kiss represents love
although now i'm doubting it means that because Ville has used 'kiss' as a representation of something several times and now i'm not sure it's love. For example, in Phantom Gate, the opening line is "watch out for the kiss" and in Acoustic Funeral there's the line "the one last thing i know to be true is the shadow of you killing love with a kiss"
so i might have to think about that one...

[HIMika666]

@HIMika666, for me that line from Scared to Death means that before you give yourself into love you're supposed to be happy, once you do, you fall apart... so the smile represents the happiness, the kiss represents love
although now i'm doubting it means that because Ville has used 'kiss' as a representation of something several times and now i'm not sure it's love. For example, in Phantom Gate, the opening line is "watch out for the kiss" and in Acoustic Funeral there's the line "the one last thing i know to be true is the shadow of you killing love with a kiss"
so i might have to think about that one... [/color]
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well...interesting idea but in my opinion...i guess "smile" means something which is fake...so he is ready to kiss away fake... i wish to ask Ville if i am right or not

[evelyn]

Cyanea, on 28 March 2010 - 11:16 PM, said:

And about 'the repose of Evelyn', i don't think he refers to Eve again, i think it's another Evelyn, but i really have no idea who, i read a couple of speculations in the heartagram forum and this one seems like it could fit: http://fullbright.bl...4/dynamics.html
but somehow it doesn't seem right

This was an interesting though sad story, and yes, this picture is kinda fascinating. If you only take "repose of Evelyn" it might fit here, but probably to 100s of others, too. Why did people think it's this one?

Cyanea, on 29 March 2010 - 12:54 PM, said:

[color=red]i've always wondered about that line from Katherine Wheel, because the title of the album is Screamworks Love in Theory and Practice: Chapters 1-13, so does it mean they don't correspond to the order of the songs? If Katherine Wheel is chapter one, which one is chapter 2???

That's an interesting take on it, I actually didn't get it like "katherine wheel" is chapter one, just that there is a hint to the first song of the album. I think now that the album is out for some time already, the interviewers could ask some more about it and satisfy our curiosity (migraine is better btw, thanks!)

"undisclosed desires" is a song from Muse' latest album. For some reason I can't copy/paste something at the moment or at least not from this lyrics page, but you can google it. I think from the theme it's quite similar to a lot of songs from "screamworks".

[Cyanea]

evelyn, on 29 March 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

Cyanea, on 28 March 2010 - 11:16 PM, said:

And about 'the repose of Evelyn', i don't think he refers to Eve again, i think it's another Evelyn, but i really have no idea who, i read a couple of speculations in the heartagram forum and this one seems like it could fit: http://fullbright.bl...4/dynamics.html
but somehow it doesn't seem right

This was an interesting though sad story, and yes, this picture is kinda fascinating. If you only take "repose of Evelyn" it might fit here, but probably to 100s of others, too. Why did people think it's this one?

they somehow linked it with Andy Warhol and then him to Ville... i just thought it might fit because of the story of the girl, but it doesn't seem right to me because it doesn't really go with the other references in the song...

evelyn, on 29 March 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

Cyanea, on 29 March 2010 - 12:54 PM, said:

i've always wondered about that line from Katherine Wheel, because the title of the album is Screamworks Love in Theory and Practice: Chapters 1-13, so does it mean they don't correspond to the order of the songs? If Katherine Wheel is chapter one, which one is chapter 2???

That's an interesting take on it, I actually didn't get it like "katherine wheel" is chapter one, just that there is a hint to the first song of the album. I think now that the album is out for some time already, the interviewers could ask some more about it and satisfy our curiosity (migraine is better btw, thanks!)



"undisclosed desires" is a song from Muse' latest album. For some reason I can't copy/paste something at the moment or at least not from this lyrics page, but you can google it. I think from the theme it's quite similar to a lot of songs from "screamworks".

[color=red]mmmhhh... i didn't think of it that way, the line from Katherine Wheel... but it makes sense too! i also think Ville should satisfy our curiosity, haha

and about Muse's song, how do you figure the theme is similar to Screamworks?? i read the lyrics and i didn't really see it

@HIMika666: interesting idea too, how do you figure that??

This post has been edited by Cyanea: 29 March 2010 - 06:22 PM

[evelyn]

Cyanea, on 29 March 2010 - 06:20 PM, said:

and about Muse's song, how do you figure the theme is similar to Screamworks?? i read the lyrics and i didn't really see it

Well, I just compared all of the lyrics to this special one from Muse and then it doesn't seem so much like it. From the songs I've listened most at the beginning it have been these parts which made me think so
"have no fear, there are wounds that are not meant to heal"
"paint all your sorrow for me to sing"
"I don't want to see you hurt any more than you have to"
"come look at the scars smother a heart opening up"

It's a bit like you've said, that Ville is talking to his love, rather than singing about it. That's what he's doing, encouraging her to open up and not let him wait any longer, a girl who according to the quoted parts has her own negative experience in life (which might be as well directly related to Ville though, didn't he once say something about him and relationships and not being easy to be around or something...?). And this is also the case in Muse' song. It's said in a different way, and it surely doesn't fit for every song, but it's a feeling I've gotten. But I also have to say meanwhile I don't relate this quoted line from "the foreboding sense ...." to a girl but to Ville himself.

Next mystery to be solved.... Which lie does Ville wanna keep alive in "like St. Valentine"? And why? First he sings to someone in the second person he'd rather like to be with, mentioning someone he doesn't want to be with anymore in the third. Then in the refrain he's speaking to the one in second person "suck the sorrow out of you" (so far so good) "and try to keep a lie alive". Like, the lie/love alive with this other person he actually doesn't wanna be with, which is making the other one sad and that's what he is trying to fix? Do I make sense?

[HIMika666]

@HIMika666: interesting idea too, how do you figure that??[/color]
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@Cyanea
well...i just... if i feel bad or sad and dont want to other people see that i keep smiling...and in sing he wants to kiss away smile....so in my mind it is about helping if person feels bad...so smile in this song is the sign of fake thing...

This post has been edited by HIMika666: 29 March 2010 - 07:16 PM

[HIMika666]

Next mystery to be solved.... Which lie does Ville wanna keep alive in "like St. Valentine"? And why? First he sings to someone in the second person he'd rather like to be with, mentioning someone he doesn't want to be with anymore in the third. Then in the refrain he's speaking to the one in second person "suck the sorrow out of you" (so far so good) "and try to keep a lie alive". Like, the lie/love alive with this other person he actually doesn't wanna be with, which is making the other one sad and that's what he is trying to fix? Do I make sense?
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i guess he meant that lie is that something which helps, but he is not sure it is honest and real thing...but even if he is not sure, he kinda likes it anyway

This post has been edited by HIMika666: 29 March 2010 - 07:19 PM

[Cyanea]

@Evelyn: actually i read the Muse lyrics again (listening to the song) and i started to see it, specially the first half of the song, the second didn't seem to relate at all to me
i just want to clear something before i go on, when i said Ville is talking to love, i didn't mean to his love, not to a person, but to love, the feeling, the concept, the idea, whatever he thinks it is
now, i agree on everything you said about the relation with Muse's song and about The Foreboding Sense, i think Ville is definitely talking about himself and i really like the part where he says "look at the scars, smother a heart, opening up, you open me up" it's like she has to either harm him or overwhelm him with emotion (love?) to open him up... not sure which one

About Like St Valentine, what do you mean by mentioning someone he doesn't want to be with in the third person?? which line??

@HIMika666:nice idea about the 'smile' thing, i quite like it

[evelyn]

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 12:35 AM, said:

i really like the part where he says "look at the scars, smother a heart, opening up, you open me up" it's like she has to either harm him or overwhelm him with emotion (love?) to open him up... not sure which one

About Like St Valentine, what do you mean by mentioning someone he doesn't want to be with in the third person?? which line??

I think nevermind what she did, he is already opening up to her or he really wants to, but things from the past (scars) hinder him to do so.

The line in "St. Valentines" is this one:
"I'm frozen to her and I want you to come"
I hope this doesn't get too confusing, it's so often that you write something down and it's glasclear to you, but to others it's not...

[Cyanea]

evelyn, on 30 March 2010 - 01:00 PM, said:

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 12:35 AM, said:

i really like the part where he says "look at the scars, smother a heart, opening up, you open me up" it's like she has to either harm him or overwhelm him with emotion (love?) to open him up... not sure which one

About Like St Valentine, what do you mean by mentioning someone he doesn't want to be with in the third person?? which line??

I think nevermind what she did, he is already opening up to her or he really wants to, but things from the past (scars) hinder him to do so.

The line in "St. Valentines" is this one:
"I'm frozen to her and I want you to come"
I hope this doesn't get too confusing, it's so often that you write something down and it's glasclear to you, but to others it's not...

I agree on the line from The Foreboding Sense, he's already opening up, but when he says "smother a heart"... now i'm not so sure... depends where the coma goes, if it's "smother a heart opening up" or "smother a heart, opening up"
anyway, what i get is that she has to sort of destroy a heart to open it up, destruction in this sense being something good, like the way i think Ville uses death, something has to die for something new to be born... to overcome, to move on...

About Like St Valentine, i realised about the 3rd person right before going to bed, i momentarily forgot part of the lyrics of that song, hahaha, so i didn't know what you were talking about
yeah, i'm still trying to figure out who he is "frozen to", again, i'm not sure it's actually a person, and what does "build me a bridge soaked in gasoline and pass the torch" mean?
I also don't really know what lie he's trying to keep alive, i sort of agree with HIMika666, or at least that was my first impression. At least it's something to do with St. Valentine, because he's "trying to keep the lie alive like St. Valentine"... so perhaps finding out more about St. Valentine would help? or it could really have nothing to do with that...

And i completely get what you said about something being completely clear to you but not to others Evelyn, happens to me all the time

Oh and just something that's been on my mind, is it weird that, if Screamworks is supposed to be a Valentine's Card for Ville's girlfriend, it has a song about his brother in the middle??
maybe it's not really weird, but it's just something that caught my attention

[evelyn]

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

anyway, what i get is that she has to sort of destroy a heart to open it up, destruction in this sense being something good, like the way i think Ville uses death, something has to die for something new to be born... to overcome, to move on...

That would be also possible, but to me it rather sounds like this heart is covered with scars, who kinda take hold of it. The heart is opening up but the pain from the past is in the way.

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

and what does "build me a bridge soaked in gasoline and pass the torch" mean?

Maybe it's a way to say it's complicated, I mean he asks her to get into touch but "soaked in gasoline and pass the torch", like he sets this bridge on fire, so basically he's going to destroy what he actually wants from her (getting in contact).

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

I also don't really know what lie he's trying to keep alive, i sort of agree with HIMika666, or at least that was my first impression. At least it's something to do with St. Valentine, because he's "trying to keep the lie alive like St. Valentine"... so perhaps finding out more about St. Valentine would help? or it could really have nothing to do with that...

Could be it's according to some articles giving flowers on Febr. 14th wasn't St. Valentines idea but rather copied from a way older habit, when people on that day celebrated the goddess Juno (women got flowers on that day). I just try to get that in context now....

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

Oh and just something that's been on my mind, is it weird that, if Screamworks is supposed to be a Valentine's Card for Ville's girlfriend, it has a song about his brother in the middle??
maybe it's not really weird, but it's just something that caught my attention

Which song are you talking about?

[Cyanea]

evelyn, on 30 March 2010 - 07:32 PM, said:

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

anyway, what i get is that she has to sort of destroy a heart to open it up, destruction in this sense being something good, like the way i think Ville uses death, something has to die for something new to be born... to overcome, to move on...

That would be also possible, but to me it rather sounds like this heart is covered with scars, who kinda take hold of it. The heart is opening up but the pain from the past is in the way.

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

and what does "build me a bridge soaked in gasoline and pass the torch" mean?

Maybe it's a way to say it's complicated, I mean he asks her to get into touch but "soaked in gasoline and pass the torch", like he sets this bridge on fire, so basically he's going to destroy what he actually wants from her (getting in contact).

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

I also don't really know what lie he's trying to keep alive, i sort of agree with HIMika666, or at least that was my first impression. At least it's something to do with St. Valentine, because he's "trying to keep the lie alive like St. Valentine"... so perhaps finding out more about St. Valentine would help? or it could really have nothing to do with that...

Could be it's according to some articles giving flowers on Febr. 14th wasn't St. Valentines idea but rather copied from a way older habit, when people on that day celebrated the goddess Juno (women got flowers on that day). I just try to get that in context now....

Cyanea, on 30 March 2010 - 01:48 PM, said:

Oh and just something that's been on my mind, is it weird that, if Screamworks is supposed to be a Valentine's Card for Ville's girlfriend, it has a song about his brother in the middle??
maybe it's not really weird, but it's just something that caught my attention

Which song are you talking about?

about the "build me a bridge..." part, i completely agree, that's what i first thought, but then i wasn't sure, and i also feel like it's like he has a choice to burn the bridge or not, it's soaked in gasoline and he has the torch...

the St. Valentine's flower thing could be, i'll give it more thought and also try to find out more about St. Valentine, hopefully we're on the right track haha

and the song Ville wrote about his brother is In The Arms of Rain

[ShizzyValo]

I have a lyrics question!
what the hell is Ville singing at the end of Sleepwalking Past Hope?
Dead but Dreaming?
Dead but Weeping?

[evelyn]

Yeah I still have to think about that St. Valentines idea a bit further, too.
I simply love "in the arms of rain", why do you think it's about his brother? Was that mentioned somewhere?